Tuesday, March 5, 2013

Collectivists Are The Opposite Of Collectivists?

The major flaw in all of this is that fascism, properly understood, is not a phenomenon of the right at all. Instead, it is, and always has been, a phenomenon of the left. This fact — an inconvenient truth if there ever was one — is obscured in our time by the equally mistaken belief that fascism and communism are opposites. In reality, they are closely related, historical competitors for the same constituents. — P.7 Liberal Fascism
Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz. (The common good supersedes the private good.)
~ Nazi slogan

For some reason, the collectivists think that their rivals in the collectivization field of battle (both literally and figuratively) are some sort of "opposite" to whatever collectivist whim they follow.  Somehow, the modern Communists find themselves to be "diametrically opposed" to their brother and sister collectivists in the Fascist and Nazi movements.  Something akin to the Yankees being "diametrically opposed" to the Red Sox.  Yes, they are rivals and they seem to hate each other, but they are both baseball teams trying to win a baseball game using slightly different tactics.  Same thing with Nazis vs. their much more lethal opponents, the Communists.

Advance apologies for my sloppy post.  I haven't gotten the hang of copying Twitter conversations and pasting them here.

  1.  This is Govt 101. Fascism is a far right ideology. Communism far left. They are diametrically opposed.

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    1.  That came from Stalin circa 1928. Parroting it without examination is silly. Collectivists are not opposite of Collectivists.
    2.  BTW, if you think Libertarian=Nazi you really have some studying to do.
    1.  LavaTiger, Communism is Fascism without borders. Fascism is Communism with deeds.
    2.  Uh, not quite. Fascists and communists are opposite philosophies, It is impossible to be both.
    3.  They are nowhere near opposite. The antithesis of Communist is Libertarian, or Classical Liberal.
     Definition of Fascism "Hostile to liberal democracy, socialism, and communism, fascist movements..."

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    1.  Yes, hostile collectivists all hostile to each other. Stalin called Trotsky a fascist too. Was he the opposite of a Communist?
Oddly, from Ms. Ackerman's Facebook profile:

Sara Ackerman@saramikaila
Online Organizer @power_thru A dreamer, a dancer, organic food eater. I watch a lot of C-Span, I read too much news. Meet me in the city or find me in the woods
Washington, DC / Baltimore, MD

Well, with the Lebensreform thing maybe I do have her collectivism confused with one of the other incredibly similar socialisms that are different in name only.
Heinrich Himmler was a certified animal rights activist and an aggressive promoter of “natural healing.” Rudolf Hess, Hitler’s deputy, championed homeopathy and herbal remedies. Hitler and his advisers dedicated hours of their time to discussions of the need to move the entire nation to vegetarianism as a response to the unhealthiness promoted by capitalism. Dachau hosted the world’s largest alternative and organic medicine research lab and produced its own organic honey. In profound ways, the Nazi antismoking and public health drives foreshadowed today’s crusades against junk food, trans fat, and the like. A Hitler Youth manual proclaimed, “Nutrition is not a private matter!” — P.19 Liberal Fascism

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